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		<title>By: Maker</title>
		<link>http://www.turkey--hunting.com/2009/06/25/proposed-hunting-restrictions/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Maker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow there is so much wrong with this thought I almost do not know where to start.

1. Lots of people make terrible mistakes behind the wheel of a car. Some are smart some are not. It is no fairer to limit who can purchase a car based on IQ as it is to limit the purchase of firearms, household chemicals, lawnmowers, swimming pools, propane bbq grills, fireworks or other potentially dangerous devices. 

2. The problem is not with the IQ level, but with the lack of training. The four safety rules are good but they are not taught to be strictly adhered too. People far too often do not treat unloaded guns as if they were loaded because It&#039;s unloaded. The flag each other, they do not check the weapon multiple times during the course of carry, before a dry fire, when picking up or putting down. 

3. Another common problem is a lack of familiarity. Many police only touch their weapons once a year when they qualify. Weapons have been found unloaded, uncleaned, with bits of food in them on the annual qualification range. This leads to unfamiliarity and improper execution of procedure. 

4. Guns are simple... This often leads to overconfidence on the part of many users. Too often shooters are to busy being macho then they are being professional and following safety rules.

5. The military does a poor job of teaching and enforcing firearms safety. Often soldiers have unloaded weapons that they must carry all the time and this leads to severe complacency. Range events are tightly controlled for safety and weapons are kept unloaded for the maximum amount of time, increasing the complacency and negative habit patterns become instilled for when loaded weapons are actually handled.

6. Every gun owner must understand the responsibility and grave consequences of their carelessness. Just as Drinking and Driving is an insanely stupid thing to do, so is not being sure of your target and what is beyond.

7. The unfortunate fact of life is that there are no guarantees. There are plenty of things you can do to completely alter your life for the worse. Find out what they are and keep form doing them. 

Life is hard. It&#039;s harder when you&#039;re stupid. 

The only restriction I in good conscience can recommend, is strict training in a variety of subjects. Weapons handling, loading unloading, and a long case study of typical tragedies that occur, as well as storage methods, and emergency procedures (break ins). The training would not make gun fighters out of people, but would make them highly competent.

Following the training, they would be issued a card, that was not tracked, but was required for the purchase of any firearm, or the possession of a firearm. It would expire every two-seven or so years, based on the performance of the individual. The cards would be available for a nominal fee and could only be issued by schools that taught to standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow there is so much wrong with this thought I almost do not know where to start.</p>
<p>1. Lots of people make terrible mistakes behind the wheel of a car. Some are smart some are not. It is no fairer to limit who can purchase a car based on IQ as it is to limit the purchase of firearms, household chemicals, lawnmowers, swimming pools, propane bbq grills, fireworks or other potentially dangerous devices. </p>
<p>2. The problem is not with the IQ level, but with the lack of training. The four safety rules are good but they are not taught to be strictly adhered too. People far too often do not treat unloaded guns as if they were loaded because It&#8217;s unloaded. The flag each other, they do not check the weapon multiple times during the course of carry, before a dry fire, when picking up or putting down. </p>
<p>3. Another common problem is a lack of familiarity. Many police only touch their weapons once a year when they qualify. Weapons have been found unloaded, uncleaned, with bits of food in them on the annual qualification range. This leads to unfamiliarity and improper execution of procedure. </p>
<p>4. Guns are simple&#8230; This often leads to overconfidence on the part of many users. Too often shooters are to busy being macho then they are being professional and following safety rules.</p>
<p>5. The military does a poor job of teaching and enforcing firearms safety. Often soldiers have unloaded weapons that they must carry all the time and this leads to severe complacency. Range events are tightly controlled for safety and weapons are kept unloaded for the maximum amount of time, increasing the complacency and negative habit patterns become instilled for when loaded weapons are actually handled.</p>
<p>6. Every gun owner must understand the responsibility and grave consequences of their carelessness. Just as Drinking and Driving is an insanely stupid thing to do, so is not being sure of your target and what is beyond.</p>
<p>7. The unfortunate fact of life is that there are no guarantees. There are plenty of things you can do to completely alter your life for the worse. Find out what they are and keep form doing them. </p>
<p>Life is hard. It&#8217;s harder when you&#8217;re stupid. </p>
<p>The only restriction I in good conscience can recommend, is strict training in a variety of subjects. Weapons handling, loading unloading, and a long case study of typical tragedies that occur, as well as storage methods, and emergency procedures (break ins). The training would not make gun fighters out of people, but would make them highly competent.</p>
<p>Following the training, they would be issued a card, that was not tracked, but was required for the purchase of any firearm, or the possession of a firearm. It would expire every two-seven or so years, based on the performance of the individual. The cards would be available for a nominal fee and could only be issued by schools that taught to standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe, I guess that makes Cheney first in line for confiscation if we were to pass your first idea. 

Alcohol would probably knock me out next. 

I have seen guys in the Marines who were dumber than a box of rocks but could shoot and handled the firearms with expert care. And per the above, some of the smartest folks I know would shoot their foot of and kill 3 neigbors in the condo below them if given access to firearms. 

Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe, I guess that makes Cheney first in line for confiscation if we were to pass your first idea. </p>
<p>Alcohol would probably knock me out next. </p>
<p>I have seen guys in the Marines who were dumber than a box of rocks but could shoot and handled the firearms with expert care. And per the above, some of the smartest folks I know would shoot their foot of and kill 3 neigbors in the condo below them if given access to firearms. </p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: evo741hpr3</title>
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		<dc:creator>evo741hpr3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any idiot who accidentally shoots someone should be tried in a court of law and found guilty for some crime lesser than murder. 

It was their own stupidity that caused the death of another human and they defied the most basic of hunting rules. Never take a shot unless you are 100% sure of your target. I mean, if your mistaking a human for a turkey then how in the heck did you know you werent shooting a tom instead of a hen? 

People who do these things are few and far between. I do believe they shouldnt walk away with a slap on the wrist, as they are acting in a neglegent manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any idiot who accidentally shoots someone should be tried in a court of law and found guilty for some crime lesser than murder. </p>
<p>It was their own stupidity that caused the death of another human and they defied the most basic of hunting rules. Never take a shot unless you are 100% sure of your target. I mean, if your mistaking a human for a turkey then how in the heck did you know you werent shooting a tom instead of a hen? </p>
<p>People who do these things are few and far between. I do believe they shouldnt walk away with a slap on the wrist, as they are acting in a neglegent manner.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about the same thing as well, guns don&#039;t kill people, stupid people kill people, so we need to find a way to stop stupid people, criminals and mentally disturbed people from owning firearms without making it so restrictive that our 2nd amendment right is taken away through so much legislature it&#039;s impossible to obtain a gun...  Obviously this incident seems like an accident and even someone with a high IQ could make this mistake but as a hunter you should know not to shoot unless you know what you&#039;re shooting at and what&#039;s behind it..  

My idea is that there be a gun competency test where you must demonstrate you have enough knowledge about firearms and firearm safety in order to own a gun. I get real tired of people asking if they can shoot a 357 in a 38 b/c you can shoot a 38 from a 357, if you can shoot a 12 ga shell from a 20 gauge, people shooting themselves or others from lack of firearm safety knowledge and all the other ridiculous and stupid things ignorant gun owners do. Too many people that are ignorant about firearms and firearm safety own firearms and that hurts the shooting and hunting community b/c it gives us a bad rap and the liberal media always puts there anti spin on it...  I don&#039;t know about the IQ argument b/c I&#039;m sure there are people with high IQs that don&#039;t know crap about firearms and how to safely use them but I&#039;m sure there are a ton of rednecks and country boys with low IQs that do know how to own and use a firearm safely... If anything, at least the dumb ones kind of weed themselves out either by going to jail, shooting themselves, someone else or just scaring them out of gun ownership by a negligent discharge or something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about the same thing as well, guns don&#8217;t kill people, stupid people kill people, so we need to find a way to stop stupid people, criminals and mentally disturbed people from owning firearms without making it so restrictive that our 2nd amendment right is taken away through so much legislature it&#8217;s impossible to obtain a gun&#8230;  Obviously this incident seems like an accident and even someone with a high IQ could make this mistake but as a hunter you should know not to shoot unless you know what you&#8217;re shooting at and what&#8217;s behind it..  </p>
<p>My idea is that there be a gun competency test where you must demonstrate you have enough knowledge about firearms and firearm safety in order to own a gun. I get real tired of people asking if they can shoot a 357 in a 38 b/c you can shoot a 38 from a 357, if you can shoot a 12 ga shell from a 20 gauge, people shooting themselves or others from lack of firearm safety knowledge and all the other ridiculous and stupid things ignorant gun owners do. Too many people that are ignorant about firearms and firearm safety own firearms and that hurts the shooting and hunting community b/c it gives us a bad rap and the liberal media always puts there anti spin on it&#8230;  I don&#8217;t know about the IQ argument b/c I&#8217;m sure there are people with high IQs that don&#8217;t know crap about firearms and how to safely use them but I&#8217;m sure there are a ton of rednecks and country boys with low IQs that do know how to own and use a firearm safely&#8230; If anything, at least the dumb ones kind of weed themselves out either by going to jail, shooting themselves, someone else or just scaring them out of gun ownership by a negligent discharge or something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: akluis</title>
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		<dc:creator>akluis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, rights are not tied to IQ, they are yours until you have proven that you cannot have them.

We all have the right to freedom of speech.  Freedom of speech does not entitle you to yell FIRE in a crowded theater.  Mentally less advanced people are more likely to fail to understand the ramifications of this, should we therefore keep them gagged? I say no. The only people we should gag are those who HAVE yelled FIRE in a crowded theater.

Second, parents do many dumb things that endanger children.  How many children are killed because a parent was drinking while driving, or driving while overly tired, or speeding? How many children die because simple precautions at home like keeping household chemicals out of low cabnets aren&#039;t followed?

Unfortunately, accidents happen.

Also, this guy was found to have been drinking and smoking pot beforehand.  It seems to me that these are the key issues in this accident, the firearm was just the tool he happened to have been using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, rights are not tied to IQ, they are yours until you have proven that you cannot have them.</p>
<p>We all have the right to freedom of speech.  Freedom of speech does not entitle you to yell FIRE in a crowded theater.  Mentally less advanced people are more likely to fail to understand the ramifications of this, should we therefore keep them gagged? I say no. The only people we should gag are those who HAVE yelled FIRE in a crowded theater.</p>
<p>Second, parents do many dumb things that endanger children.  How many children are killed because a parent was drinking while driving, or driving while overly tired, or speeding? How many children die because simple precautions at home like keeping household chemicals out of low cabnets aren&#8217;t followed?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, accidents happen.</p>
<p>Also, this guy was found to have been drinking and smoking pot beforehand.  It seems to me that these are the key issues in this accident, the firearm was just the tool he happened to have been using.</p>
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		<title>By: gunsrfunmg</title>
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		<dc:creator>gunsrfunmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an IQ test?!?!?!? the person might be stupid but they might be really responsible with guns, and knowing how to work the gun. so that really would not be practical but the alcahol and drug use thing is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an IQ test?!?!?!? the person might be stupid but they might be really responsible with guns, and knowing how to work the gun. so that really would not be practical but the alcahol and drug use thing is good.</p>
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		<title>By: dca2003311@yahoo.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about your proposal.* Accidents do happen regardless of gun restrictions.* Nobody&#039;s perfect.* Its a proven fact that anyone familiar with firearms is more likely to injure themselves or others by accident, due to being overconfident, and careless as compared to someone that has never fired a gun in their life.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about your proposal.* Accidents do happen regardless of gun restrictions.* Nobody&#8217;s perfect.* Its a proven fact that anyone familiar with firearms is more likely to injure themselves or others by accident, due to being overconfident, and careless as compared to someone that has never fired a gun in their life.*</p>
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		<title>By: sgtabester</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgtabester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t fix stupid. Some people could hurt themselves sitting. Start reading some of the Darwin Awards. Its not the guns that are the problem. Its people, and how they act with power saws, cars, electricity, pneumatic power, hydraulic power, and etc. Its people, not the object. Inalienable Rights Granted us by our Creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t fix stupid. Some people could hurt themselves sitting. Start reading some of the Darwin Awards. Its not the guns that are the problem. Its people, and how they act with power saws, cars, electricity, pneumatic power, hydraulic power, and etc. Its people, not the object. Inalienable Rights Granted us by our Creator.</p>
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		<title>By: roadhazzards</title>
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		<dc:creator>roadhazzards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow two sad stories divided by millions of hunters who don&#039;t have accidents = no leg to stand on to justify restrictions of ANY type for gun owners.

Statistically I am far more likely to be killed by a teenage or elderly driver who simply isn&#039;t paying attention to the road. It&#039;s far more reasonable to call for restrictions on those two groups of drivers in an effort to save lives.

Additionally those hunting accidents are the exception rather than the rule, all studies show hunting related deaths have been on the decline for years now while traffic related deaths continue to increase. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow two sad stories divided by millions of hunters who don&#8217;t have accidents = no leg to stand on to justify restrictions of ANY type for gun owners.</p>
<p>Statistically I am far more likely to be killed by a teenage or elderly driver who simply isn&#8217;t paying attention to the road. It&#8217;s far more reasonable to call for restrictions on those two groups of drivers in an effort to save lives.</p>
<p>Additionally those hunting accidents are the exception rather than the rule, all studies show hunting related deaths have been on the decline for years now while traffic related deaths continue to increase. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: uncle frosty</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle frosty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quit giving these people a break. If someone shoots someone accidently . Murder. Throw away the key.

maybe this was a real accident but I assure you that many aren&#039;t 

If people started doing real time the already rare occurences would go to zero</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quit giving these people a break. If someone shoots someone accidently . Murder. Throw away the key.</p>
<p>maybe this was a real accident but I assure you that many aren&#8217;t </p>
<p>If people started doing real time the already rare occurences would go to zero</p>
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